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And upon comparing the said Representation wthwith the said late Order of Council
& printed Proclamation I humbly represent, That if the standard weights
of the forreign coins established by the said Proclamation are & the value of yethe
those coynes as they are now current in Ireland by the said Proclamation are to remain, then con
sidering that the weight of the single Pistole & Lewis d'or is in the said
Proclamation put 4four penny weight eight grains (for this is their ordinary
weight one wthwith another before wearing the as they
the qua doubl weight of the double Pistole & Lewis d'or ought,
Proclamation
Pistole chwhich as
the merchants bring them hither a little worn weigh one wthwith another 6dwt 21grat a medium, & beput in weight 6dwt 22grains in the same Proclamation. For those of this weight in Ireland are worth 30s in Ireland recconing athree shilling at thirteen pence are in Ireland worth 29s. 11d recconing an english shilling there at 13d & standar gold 22 carrats fine at 3li 19s 8d per ounce, But wchwhich is the standard value. But if gold 22 carrats fine be recconed at 4li per ounce as is commonly done, a Moyder weighing 6dwt 22gr will be wroth 30s 0d. And therefore taking the nearest round number it may be valued at 30s without any error worth noting. the weight being 6dwt 22gr. And by this reat this rate all Moyders weighing above 6dwt 21gr will be current without allowing any thing for wearing
But if the weight & value of the coins in the said printed Proclamation are to be reconsidered, then I the following observations may be made
upon them. If The Spanish & T Pistole & Lewis d'or as they are commonly current weigh one wthwith another 4dwt 7gr being lightned about a grain by wearing, & those of this weight are worth 18s 6d in Ireland where an English shilling is wroth 13d goes for 13d.
The Ducatoon of Flanders before wearing weighs (one piece wthwith another) 20dwt 22gr. That it may be worth 6s in Ireland, its weight is as its valued, in the Proclamation, its weight ought to be 21dwt. In the printed Proclamation its weight is put 20dwt 16gr without allowing any thing for the eight grains wanting, & nothing is allowed for wearing till it want 12grains more in weight.
The pieces of eight of Mexico & Sevil & the Pillar pieces & French Lewises before wearing weigh one wthwith another 17dwt 12gr. That they may be worth 4s 9d in Ireland they ought to weight 17dwt 8gr. In the printed Proclamation their weight is put 17dwt without allowing any thing for the 8gr wanting in weight.
The Cross Dollar, that it before wearing weights (at a medium) 18dwt 1gr. & That it may be worth 4s 9d it ought to weigh 18dwt. In the printed Proclamation its weight is put 17dwt & wihtout allowing any thing for the penny weight wanting wchwhich amounts to 3d.
TRix Dollars are of several sorts & before wearing weigh about 18dwt & 8 or 10gr. That they may be worth 4s 9d in Ireland they ought to weigh 17dwt & 18 or 20gr. In the printed Proclamation their weight is put 17dwt without allowing any thing for the want of 18 or 20gr in weight.
The old Peru piece of eight is va that it may be worth 4 6d in Ireland should weight 17dwt & is put at that weight in the printed Proclamation.
The Crusado of Portugal before wearing weights 11dwt 4gr. That it may be worth 3s 2d it ought to weigh 11dwt 120gr. In the printed Proclamation its weight is put 10dwt 20gr without allowing any thing for the 14gr wanting of 14gr in weight.
In the end of the printed Proclamation the weights used in Ireland by vertue of a Proclamation dated 21 Feb 1697 are established to continue in use for weighing the coins therein mentioned. If any such we those weights weights were in ounces penny wtsweights & grains they may serve for all the coins: if in single pieces for single coins, they (for I remember the send of such
wtsweights from hence) there may be some wanting those that are wanting made by made speedily made here (if it be thought fit) & sent wthwith the new Order of Council that or as soon after as may be, that they may be ratified by the new Proclamation.
The allowance of 2d per grain for the wearing of gold coins & three half pence per halfpenny weight for the wearing of silver coins is the nearest thatnearestas nearest to the truth as can be put in round numbers.
May it please yoryour LordpLordship
In obedience to yoryour LordpsLordships order of Reference signified to me by Mr Taylors letter of Iune 16th Instant, I have perused the late order of Council the Representation from the Lords of the Privy (in Ireland desiringtouching some alteration to be made in athe addition of a clause to the a late order of Council in order to be for a Proclamation to be made relating for a Pro to be giving currencyrency to some new forreign coins in that kingdom by Proclamation: In wchwhich Representation being desirefor giving currency by Proclamation in that kingdom by Proclamation to some forreign coins which were omitted in a former ProclaProclamation a printed copy of wchwhich they ahve sent desiring a clause to be added to the said Order for making allowance for light pieces as was done in a formerthe said Propclamation a printed copy of wchwhich whereof they have sent a printed copy, desiring also thatfor giving currency toto & that the Order may be extendedbe comprehend also the forreign coins mentioned in that Proclamation, because the original of that Proclamation was f under the broad seal was lost in destroyed in the late fire wchwhich happened there at the Council chamber: so that the Clerk of the Council cannot now certify that the printed copy agrees verbatim wthwith the original as the late Act of ParliamtParliament resquires for the conviction of coyners In order therefore to insert all the said forreign include all the forreignforreign coins in one newthe Counterfeiters of those coins. Concerning all wchwhich I humbly represent that the coins mentioned in the said Proclamation & Order outght to be of the several weights mentioned in the following Table that they may be of the in Ireland of the value mentioned therein, supposing gold & silver to be raised a penny in the shilling in Ireland above what it is in England.
dwtgrsd
1
A Lewidor & Spanish Pistole
4
7
18
6
2
The Moyder of Portugal
6.
22
–
30.
0
3 The piece of eight of Mexico & Sevil & the Pillar piece, & Lewis of France
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17.
8.
4s.
9
The Rix dollars
18.
2.
4.
9
23 Old piece of 8 of Peru, Cross Dollars, Legg Dollars, Rix Dollars
}
17.
0.
4.
6
recting
34 Ducatoon of Flanders & Holland
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21.
0.
6.
0
recting20.16....5.11.
5
Crusado
10.
20.
3.
0
And the quadruple double halfs & quarters in proportion.
Concerning all wchwhich I humb humbly observe, that the Moydermake the following observations [if money be raised in after the rate Ireland so as to pass there at a higher rate then the standard of England by a penny in the shilling, the Moyder ought to weigh 6dwt 22gr that it may be there worth 30s, & a spanish Pistole & French Lewidor ought to weigh 4dwt 7gr that it may be there worth 18s. 6d. In the late Order a grain was abated of this weight to give a currency to the lighter pieces, & the same abatement will be now made by the allowance for lighter pieces now desired.to be inserted into the new Proclamation But Moyders one with another as they come from Portugal weigh 6dwt 21gr.] In the lateprinted Proclamation the weight of the Pistole & Lewidor was put 4dwt 8gr after wchwhich rate the quadruple Pistole & Lewidor should weigh dwt 17dwt 8g that is 416gr & the double Lew Pistole & Lewidorshould weigh 8dwt 16gr that is 208gr But in the Memorial upon wchwhich the late Order of Council was grounded
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the double Pis quadruple Pistole was put only 408gr & the double Pistole & Lewidor 204gr. which is too lighterer by two grains in these Pistole & Lewis then in the printed copy of plate Proclamatio.o. I am humbly humbly of opinion that in the new Proclamation the quadruple & double Pistoles beshould be put in proportion to the single ones. [& therefore humbly propose that the weight & value of the gold moneys be put asin the new Proclamation in the following proportions. New out of the mint the quadrupledouble Spanish Pistoles & weigh 8dwt 16gr & the single ones 4dwt 8gr but they are lighter by about a grain as they come over to us]
The Spanish Quadruple Pistole
The piece commonly called the
The double Lewidor & Pistole new out of the Mint weight 8dwt 16gr & the single one 4dwt 8gr, but as they come out hither after a little worn they single Lewises Pistoles & Lewidors are a grain lighter one wthwith another & this weight answers to this their value in Ireland where a money is valued a penny in the shilling higher then in England, & a Pistole & Lewidor goes for 18 6gshilling goes for thirteen pence & all other money should be wastedraisedvalued in proportion. I humbly propose therefore that the Spani in the new Proclamation the FrechFrench & Span.Spanish gold moneys be put as follows
The piece commonly called the doublequadruple Spanish Pistole of Gold weighing 17dw seventeen penny weight four grains at to pass at three pounds & fourteen shillings.
The piece commonly called the double Spanish or French Pistole to pass at one poundof Gold or double Lewidor weighing eight penny weight & fourteen grains to pass at one pound & seventeen shillings.
The piece commonly called the Spanish or French Pistole of gold weighing four penny weight & seven grains to pass at eighteen shillings & six pence
The piece commonly called the Spanish or French half Pistole weighing two penny weight & three grains & an half to pass at nine shillings & three pence.
The piece commonly called the Sp.Spanish or Fr.French quarter Pistole weighing one penny wtweight one gr.grain & three qtsquarters to pass at 4 sshillings & 7 pence.
But if the weight of the single Pistole & half Pistole be put as in the late Proclamation, then four grains must be added to the weight of the quadruple Pistole must should in proportion be put 17dwt 8gr & that of the double one 8dwt 16gr.
The Moyders of Portugal as they are brought over by the Merchant weighs one wthwith another six pe 6dwt 21gr & are in Ireland at that weight recconing standard gold at 2d a grain in England But is the stastandard Gold be recconed at 3li 19s 8 prper ounce, (wchwhich is yethe standard value a Moyder of that weight will be worth 29 10, are worth 2930s 0d & fresh out of the Mint they may weight 6d 22gr or 6dwt 22 one wthwith another & so be worth about 30s. If for avoiding fractions their weight be put 6dwt 22gr & their value 30s, all those pieces that are weigh above 6dwt 21gr will be current without allowing any thing for lightness. And then the Portugal money may be stand in the Proclamation as follows
The Portugal piece of Gold commonly called a Moyder weighing 6dwt 22gr to pass at thirty shillings a piece
The piece commonly called the quarter Moyder weighing one penny wtweight seventeen grains & an half to pass at seven shillings & six pence.
But if the Moyder be put a grain lighter, it must be valued only at 29s. 10d.
The Ducatoon of Flanders that it my be worth 6s in Ireland ought to weight 21dwt. Its usual weight before wearing (taking one piece wthwith another) is 20d 22gr. Its weight in yethe Procl.Proclamation is put 20dwt. 16gr & nothing is allowed for wearing till it be twelve grains lighter, & then allowance is made only for those twelve grains.the want of 8gr.
The pieces of eight of Mexico & Sevil & the Pillar pieces of eight & French Lewisses weigh on that they may be worth four shillings & nine pence in Ireland wei ought to weight 17dwt 8gr They weigh one with another before wearing 17dwt 12gr. In the Procl.Proclamation their weight is put 20 1gr only 17dwt 0gr nothing is allowed for wearing till they be 12gr lighter & then allowance is made only for yethe 12grthe want of 8gr.
The Cross Dollar th that it may be worth 4s. 9d in Ireland ought to weigh 18dwt, & this is its usual weight before wearing. In the Proclamation its weight is put 17dwt. & nothing is allowed for the deficiency of a penny wtweight wchwhich amounts to 3d.
The Rix Dollars & other Dollars of the that they may be worth 4s 9d in Ireland are ought to weigh 17dwt & or& 18 or 20 grains. Their usual weight before wearing is
is 18dwt 9gr. Their wightweight in the Proclamation 17dwt, & no allowance made for wearing in those that are above 16dwt 12grthe want of 18 or 20 grgrains.
The old Peru piece of eight that it may be worth 4s 6d in Ireland ought to weigh 17dwt. Its put at that weight in the Proclamation.
The Crusaddo of Portugal that it may be worth 3s 2d ought to weigh 11d wt deadweight 12gr. Its usual weight before wearing is 11dwt 4gr Its weight in the Proclamation 10dwt 20gr, & no allowance for wearing in those that weight about 10dwt 8grthe want of 16gr. I am humbly of opinion that these peices should be valued only at 3s, this being the value of those that weigh 10dwt 20gr.
I am humbly of opinion
If all the pieces of silver money were put at their just wtweight in proportion to the value at wchwhich they are to be current, it would help to preserve them from clipping; especially if that weight be near the original weight of the pieces. And the currency of good money will not be hindred thereby because there is an allowance of twelve grains for wearing before the pieces can be refused in payment & then they are after that they are still current upon abating three half pence for every twelve grains wanting in weig in the value
In the end of the printed Proclamation there is mention made of weights used in Ireland by vertue of a Proclamation dated 21 Feb 1697 for weighing the several sorts of coins mentioned in the said Pr made current in that Kingdom. I remember the making of those weights by the standard weights in the Mint. And if any new weights shall be wanting they may be speedily made that they may be speedily made that their use may be established by the Proclamation now to be issued
A Ducatoon weighs before wearing 20dwt 22gr & is worth in Ireland 5. 11.. In the printed Proclamation itits weight is put 20dwt. 16gr & it valu 6s. To be of that value it should weight 21dwt.
A piece of 8 & Lewis weighs before wearing 17dwt 12gr & is worth in Ireland 4s 10d In yethe Procl.Proclamation its weight it put 17dwt & its value 4 9. To be of that value it should weigh 17dwt 8gr.
AThe Cross Dollar weighs before wearing 18dwt & in Ireland is worth 4s. 9. In the Proclamation its weight is put 17dwt & its value 4s. 9d. Either a penny weight should added to its weight or 3d deducted from its value.
TheRix Dollars are of various sorts & before wearing weight about 18dwt & 8 or 109 grains & are worth 4. 10. In the Proclamation they are their weight is 17dwt & their value 4. 9. To be worth 4. 9 their weight should be about 17dwt 18gr.
The old Peru piece weighing 17dwt is worth 4s 6d as in yethe Proclamation.
The Crusado of Portugal weighs before wearing 11dwt 4gr & is worth 3s 1d. In the Proclamation itits weight is put 110dwt 20gr it value 3s 2g. That it may be worth of that value it ought to weigh 3s 11dwt 10gr.